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TaQuinda

I really loved this blog! I just ran into this problem with PayPal and didn’t understand why they were holding my money. I, too, endured waited until it was released and kept going.

Never did I once make a call and ask why it was being held hostage. Thank you so much for breaking down their policy with your scenario as well as providing a second option for us to use.

Ryan

So this same exact thing happened to me. I laughed out loud when reading this. I am glad to see that I am not the only Paypal victim.
It frustrates me to see Paypal suspending successful websites. I guess the silver lining is the fact that you are doing well enough to be given a second look (lockdown)

Lisa Robbin Young, The Renaissance Mom

I was actually told by paypal (and PowerPay) that if I anticipate a huge influx of funds from a product launch to notify Paypal in advance so that they don’t flag the account. So far, no hassles from paypal. It’s always frustrating when you want to ship an order but the funds haven’t cleared to your account. Customers don’t get it, and merchant accounts/banks don’t generally care.

The other thing you have to remember is that Paypal is adamant about the fact that they are NOT a bank. They act, look and smell like one, but in all their documents, they dub themselves a clearing house, and thus are not subject to banking terms and conditions. It’s a crazy grey area, but until something changes, you’re right, the people that hold the money win.

Thanks for the great reminder!

@clementyeung

Ahh… I remember this day well. What a shock it was to hear it happen to both of you!

Sorry to hear that things still won’t be completely cleared up for some time. I agree with your thought process and getting rid of PayPal just wouldn’t be an option for your target audience.

Thanks for the blog post – great advice and info as always.

Mitch

Now that’s really scary. I haven’t come close to having this kind of thing happen, but two years ago I had a series of payments come through to me with each being more than $5,000 at a shot. If they’d held even one of those bills wouldn’t have gotten paid, and I’d have freaked. Not having a recourse is a shame, almost bordering on bad customer service. I’m sorry that happened to you; now I might need to think about some things…

Jonathan Herbert

Powerpay is the way to go…My boy Sean has it all perfect. Powerpay is straight with you as long as you are straight with them. It pays a lot quicker and feels good to know that they aren’t just floating your money for 6 months like Paypal is. They are very reasonable people over there.

Dan Grossman

You could substitute PayPal with the name of any bank and your story would be equally true and equally likely. You just don’t think of your bank like that because you’re not using them for payment processing. If you opened a merchant account at any bank, they would be just as likely to do what PayPal did to you at any sign of increased risk. They would also hold your money for the exact same 6 months, even if you wanted to close your account. PayPal is acting like every other merchant account provider in the world. Every bank’s contract for merchant services reads the same because most of these policies follow directly from the card association (Visa/MC) rules. They all have the right to hold your money in a reserve account, they all hold your money for exactly 6 months if your account is suspended, etc.

Dan Grossman

BTW, about that reserve account… they won’t be investing it and earning any money. That’s another thing that’s actually spelled out in most merchant agreements. The money is held in a non-interest-bearing account so there’s no incentive for them to create such accounts without reason.

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PayPal is not a bank, thus it is not regulated like a bank. I’m a moron and I realize this, how is it others do not?

Sara

PayPal is the worst. I haven’t heard one decent thing about them. This reminds me of a stunt WePay played on them about a month ago. They froze a ton of money in blocks of ice and parked it outside of their developers conference here in SF. Link: http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/26/wepay-ice-paypal/ Maybe consider using them as well! Great article.

Bree Anderson

Thank you for this post. I had no idea this could happen and it’s nice to know ahead of time how to prepare and my options! Thanks!

colleen

Thanks for sharing, Sean. Makes me happy that I only use PayPal to pay for stuff. ;-) I’ve actually heard other stories like yours from PayPal users. Another option I have explored is WePay.com. Companies like these are going to have to be careful now that there are options…

Alan

“You are NOT just a number.” How about 901920, your PowerPay affiliate number (in those links)?

Maube Mor

Thanks for this info. I have not had good experience with PayPal and have never managed to get my money from them. Someone charged something on my account- they alerted me that the transaction was suspicious but it ended up costingm me $400 which I was never able to get back. I have delayed setting up my shopping cart because of my dread of losing more money to Paypal. Nice to knwo there are alternatives. Thanks again.

Josh

Paypal just announced a new withdrawal feature. Now we can supposedly withdraw directly to our VISA cards. Maybe it’ll turn to be a way out for those with hostage funds. Can’t say for sure. Here’s the announcement:
http://pages.ebay.com.sg/sea/paypal/withdraw.html

Could be a nice feature to pay for oversees outsourcing. Before this post I was seriously considering setting my guys in India up with their own debit card and transferring their money to them from PayPal. Now I’m wondering if that’s such a good idea…

@RobCoats

Thanks for taking the time to write this well written blog. You rock! I’ve been using paypal for a while and they are the only ones I use for a merchant and all though I haven’t had any problems with them holding my money it’s still smart not to put all your eggs in one basket. You’re the man.

Jerrod Young

Sean,
I’ve gone through this a few times selling items on ebay. PayPal is a crazy dictatorship of idiots, and eBay is responsible for most of their near illegal practices. They both have gotten way to big for their own good, and taking away their business is really the only way it will change. I’ve been selling on ebay for years, and have gone through all kinds of crap to satisfy them both multiple times. I’ve even gone BlackHat in order to keep selling, and process payments through Google Checkout under eBay/PayPal nose.

Needless to say, I feel your pain.

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Cheryl Ellemberg

Interesting information for businesses who use Paypal. Thanks for sharing!

Mike DeWolfe

I consider Paypal my source for mad money.
I’ve been stung time and again by Paypal. In my case, I had a transaction where somehow the depositer scammed Paypal. They reversed his transactions, including my payment. A short time later, my wife– using our account– was scammed by an eBay seller. We pressed for a refund and Paypal said there was no way they could reverse a transaction, having done that to me a few months earlier.
I have seen this fast income climb create problem where Paypal freezes an account. Thanks for giving us word of an alternative, PowerPay. I’ll definitely check them out.

Joel Mansford

For the record this has actually happened with my ‘telephone’ bank around 8years ago – Cahoot in the UK. They blocked access to my account just after I had been paid and refused to give access until I proved my current employement to them.

Eventually I had no choice and then switftly took my business elsewhere – to a bank with actual staff I could see.

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Lynette Young

PayPal premier or business account? Yikes! I just signed up for PayPal merchant. We expect our sales to drastically increase during the first 6 months – I can’t have all my money tied up with them!

Ian David Chapman

Yeah, paypal are a bunch of ###### (insert appropriate expletive) not only do they screw the person who’s account it is they also screw the affiliate who is waiting for payment. Right now I am waiting for payment for two promotions that have been put in the Paypal sandbox for the same reasons. It sickens me that there is no other viable alternative solution that has the convenience, reach and trust of paypal. I wonder how many good businesses have ended up going bankrupt because paypal have destroyed their cashflow.

Great blog post Sean, would love to chat on skype sometime soon

Justin Brooke

I’m one of those guys who has never had a problem with Paypal and been processing 20k per month or more for about 6 years now.

PowerPay is not free of their problems and I’d be careful which testimonials you choose to use. Not everyone thinks highly of all the IM crowd guys. In fact powerpay has been recently shutting down the same IM guys who raved about them years ago.

Once you get past $250k per month they just turn you off because you’re now too risky for them. I haven’t found a merchant account, payment processor, or shopping cart in the last 7 years that doesn’t have at least one big problem.

However, there are lots of workarounds.

Paypal = Don’t withdraw or deposit abnormal amounts of money unexpectedly.

PowerPay = Use a cart that lets you rotate multiple merchant accounts so you don’t blow one out

Etc. etc.

Atul Sharma

I have never used PayPal. You given some nice things to consider if i ever have to use the service. Thanks for that.

Pamela

Very quiet but amazon has been known to do the same thing. Not, I don’t believe, to their affiliates, but to their sellers.

Martha Christie

I use PayPal for my business and currently find it invaluable. I have it linked to my billing system so that my clients can use “one-click” pay.

I also have a card (similar to a bank card), which I use to access my PayPal funds immediately rather than wait for bank transfers.

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